Just putting it out there that I'm tired of the kneeling and whining. I'm out of the NFL game.
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Just putting it out there that I'm tired of the kneeling and whining. I'm out of the NFL game.
It's up to society to tell the NFL that allowing criminals to play and allowing players to disrespect the flag is NOT ok. I vote with my remote control. How about you?
In a few years the NFL could be a vastly reduced entiity based on its absolutely anarchist political stances. You can't survive appealing to 25% of your potential audience. Remember, a lot of people in general don't watch sports. So of the 70% of the population that does, you can't alienate such a large group. They won't "fold" but they also won't have most of their revenue streams. If people actually start to tune out, the advertisers will bail, then these guys will have to be paid based on ticket sales. That would be a 60-70% reduction in salary. If they don't like it, they can start their own league to see how they fare. Good luck.
Some of them fast D Line and the more athletic O Line, would probably make great heavyweights!You lose Pro and college ball but I guess that'll make alot of folk happy apparently.
Oh and Boxing might get some great Heavyweights again.
A couple of comments in response to several contained in this thread:
1. Free speech means giving others, including those you stridently disagree with, the right to express their opinions in a peaceful manner. Sure, an employer has the right to restrict an employee's free speech when the employee is on the clock. However, the employer should exercise this right with care.
2. If the NFL, or some successor professional league, is no longer a part of the American landscape, then the quality of College Football will decline dramatically. This will have a negative effect on a landscape which masquerades as amateur sports, but which in reality is a massive commercial enterprise. For the truth of the matter is that by removing the dream of playing for millions of dollars, the better athletes will gravitate to other sports: track, baseball, basketball, even soccer. Or if they don't they will move on with their lives and become the proverbial butcher, baker or candlestick maker. For let's face it, when you take into consideration the health risks of playing football beyond high school, absent a large financial incentive to keep playing, many individuals will decide to take their skills elsewhere.
It's kind of ironic that I see myself writing the above, for I came to football when my next door neighbor's son played for Dr. Phillips back in the 1990s. I respected the kid and he kept bugging me to come watch a DP game. I did and became hooked on the high school game shortly thereafter. Despite this, I never got anywhere near as serious about either the college or professional game, and would not be seriously affected if either or both disappeared.
But my point is, be careful what you wish for, for you just may get it. For it is not clear to me that big time college ball, which the alumni of many a major institution of higher learning in the USA revere, would survive the disappearance of the professional game!
I agree with your neighbor. Tim was not given a fair shot as he did not fit the "NFL QB mold." Call me stupid, but I still think he could have been successful.My neighbor David quit watching the NFL after what they did to Tim Tebow. I told him it was about performance, but he was hung up on intangibles.
I think Tebow could have been a good backup if he didn't have the hoopla come a long with him. He is a much better QB than Scott Tolzien and probably other starters like Blake Bortles and Jay Cutler but he was not going to be an elite NFL QB (and he was drafted in the 1st round too mind you).
It wasn't his mouth though... more like his Patella.Same thing with Kaep. If he shut his mouth he'd be making $5 mil a year to carry a clip board and would eventually get a shot to start.
Actually NFL QB's drafted early have been having success look at JW and MM among others.
Early? When was Bortles drafted?
Maybe it's because I don't tune in at the beginning of the game, but I never care if they kneel or not. I also didn't care if Tebow wore biblical eyeblack. It doesn't affect the game play, I am more upset at rapists, murder accessories, wife beaters, all remain in the NFL with not a peep from the same people upset about people kneeling. So non-violently protesting something is horrible but allowing rapists is okay?
I think more moms and dad are concerned about concussions and injuries than kneeling. That is where the long term damage of the NFL is. Taxpayers are more upset about stadiums being paid for by tax dollars where the NFL owners get all the monetary benefit and we pay for it forever (see St. Louis and Oakland).
While the kneeling has some effect on the viewership, people are not showing up to the games as is (see Chargers, 49ers, and Rams). Ticket prices are ridiculous, parking and traffic is horrendous.
DB2, my usually knowledgeable friend, I am going to disagree about your, 'NFL gone, so goes College' hypothesis.
1) Follow the money - it ain't going nowhere.
2) I know a whole lot of guys like me who played in the NAIA that didn't delude themselves they would be playing Pro Ball. Two in my conference did go on to pro careers during the years I played, but that happened about as regularly as a total eclipse of the sun.
3) If your hypothesis is correct, then how would you explain subs; the guys down the food chain who rode the bench - they clearly know they aren't headed to the NFL, why put themselves through it?
I think college ball is safe because most kids love the game and still want to compete.
Peezy, who are you to tell anyone that their point-of-view is nonsense? I know that early Monday Morning in Volusia County when the storm was at it's worst, Sheriff's Deputies were saving senior citizens and going after looters. I am sure that Colin Kaepernick and Michael Bennett were not doing anything as heroic.
No intelligent individual interested in viewing any athletic competition that believes insulting such a large segment of the American public, by not standing for the nation's anthem, is too stupid to post on this message board. Jambun, how you arrived at your conclusion from what Peezy said is beyond me. He likes the NFL far better then I do and many others on this site. He like myself believes in peaceful protest. Let the chips fall where they may for Colin. He's an adult. The market will determine his fate........As for the NFL, it's a stale predicable product. 32 clones with varying talent levels calling the same plays with the same strategies. It's a job for the players and coaches nothing more. Who wants to watch someone go to work ?Peezy, if you don't think that these protests, and these players kneeling during the National Anthem has any effect, I don't know what to say to you. Every poll that I have read has this as a major reason, and many owners have even got letters from season tickets holders threating to cancel their season tickets if that player was singed. Ignore your posts? You would like that wouldn't you?
LOL trueGiven enough time, it could come down to where there's only two guys still watching the NFL, peezy 28 and some other guy.
Peezy, if you don't think that these protests, and these players kneeling during the National Anthem has any effect, I don't know what to say to you. Every poll that I have read has this as a major reason, and many owners have even got letters from season tickets holders threating to cancel their season tickets if that player was singed. Ignore your posts? You would like that wouldn't you?