Should be interesting what's coming out of TX today.

[Silver King]

Final Four - here's the system they said would be better and they have the only undefeated team hanging by a thread and talking about jumping OSU in.

You know, they got pretty good at the old system, now this one will just piss off even more people. Watch for where they land to set up Regional TV audiences.

 

[jgking83]

This is going to be a mess today.

 

[Cat_Scratch]

I hear you SK, they need one from the West Coast, one from the East Coast, one from TX and as much as they will hate leaving out the Great Lakes area they have to put FSU in or everyone will call it is a bogus championship.

It doesn't really matter as long as you have that core of 4, who many consider the best they will get the ratings.

If they leave FSU in, they have to put them against Bama. That will leave Oregon vs TCU, which I feel will be a great game. Then Bama vs the winner in a can't lose situation for ratings.

 

[Cat_Scratch]

Bama vs FSU, people will tune in, but not as many as if it were Ohio vs Bama. The Great Lakes area has a bigger fan base than Tallahassee. A lot of SEC fans in south Florida will pull for Bama IMHO. Just not as many ACC fans, to be honest.

I would not like seeing it become a popularity contest and discount the best record in NCAA going in. FSU has the longest winning streak and that has to count or the championship is meaningless.

 

[Choctaw_fan]

None of their decisions should be about the audience size. They should be about the players that went out and busted their butts for 12 games and a championship game.

It kills me that going undefeated isn't enough for FSU. A few years ago, teams were getting abused because they ran up the score. Now it's expected. What do the so called experts want? And, why should a conference championship even count? It's only one game. Is Marshall in the final four? They went 12-1 and won their conference championship!

If they put Alabama against FSU, they are turning the semi-final game into a championship game. Neither Oregon nor who ever else gets in will have a chance against either FSU or Alabama. You can debate about whether the SEC is a strong as in the past but, the South is still the strongest region for college. No doubt about it!

 

[Choctaw_fan]

They put Ohio St in. I hope Alabama destroys them!

 

[Silver King]

I hate OSU, but they're more worthy than Oregon - I hope the Noles tighten that defense up a little and find a way to thump the Ducks having to travel all the way across the country. But, FSU can trade points with them if they have to.

 

[LAZL]

I think the committee got it right. There's no way they could leave Ohio St out of it. The Big 10 brass has too much clout and would have really raised a stink. Like it or not, they belong to a true Power 5 conference. The Big 12 is no longer in that category. And they play one less game. This will leave the Big 12 to re-think their position and probably force an expansion as the Big 12 only has 10 schools. In addition, I think a valuable lesson was learned with this process. The committee should not publish their rankings until after the final week of the season.

 

[Choctaw_fan]

I totally agree. We don't need a running commentary. If they want to explain their decision at the end, that is fine but producing a ranking every week then explaining it is useless. Ask TCU!

 

[LAZL]

Yep. Every college sport, regardless of division does not know their playoff status until after the regular season is over. It should be no different here.

 

[Silver King]

The NAIA had a playoff system when I played in the early 70s, and if I recall it was the Top 4 then by the tim my son was there they had added teams. Anyway, you think the NCAA might have thought this out a bit more, I mean people have been talking about one for years.

 

[LAZL]

This post was edited on 12/7 3:01 PM by LAZL

 

[Fan 74]

Media turning CFB into reality TV.

 

[Choctaw_fan]

Of course! The media has nothing else to do until the bowls start. They will milk the CFP for every minute of airtime they can.

What I hate is that they are instilling personal preference in their commentary. Kirk Herbstreit loved the choices because his alma mater got in. Lou Holtz wanted FSU out because they were chosen over Notre Dame (even though FSU lost to them) to play in the championship game in 1993. Boy, that's a long time to hold a grudge! Here's a story about it.

1993 National Championship Game

 

[gatorman-uf]

To be a little more fair to Lou Holtz, he stated that he didn't think FSU has played as a Top 4 throughout the season, but the fact that they have a 0 in the loss column meant that he would put them in the top 4 automatically.

On a side note, I don't think TCU or Baylor should be punished for not having a championship. They didn't duck anybody in their conference. Their championship just happened 2 months ago.

The reality is that College Football needs to change the system still more... I know that few people care about college basketball, but if you notice, a lot of great basketball match-ups have been happening in the early part of the season. People know that they won't get punished for it come bracket time. Same idea for college football. If we ever want to get rid of The Citadel vs FSU, Eastern Kentucky vs UF, then we have to remove the reason for continuing to schedule them.


11 game schedule... games end before thanksgiving.
Conference Championships Thanksgiving weekend.
Eliminate half the bowl games, make the post-season worth something.
2 weeks later start an 8-team playoff.
5 Major Conference get a bid, top non-major conference champion, 2 wild cards.
1st Round (2 cities each with 2 games) mid-December.
2nd Round (NYD 2 cities each with one game)
3rd Round (2 weeks later)

So this year it would be
1 Bama vs 8 Boise State
2 Oregon vs 7 Mississippi State
3 FSU vs 6 TCU
4 Ohio State vs 5 Baylor

 

[peezy28]

I don't think anyone would want to see Bama vs Boise... I hate the SEC but I would rather see them play Miss State or Ole Miss again than that.

 

[Silver King]

Peezy, you're so darn "Macho" with that hating the SEC bit.

 

[peezy28]

Originally posted by Silver King :
Peezy, you're so darn "Macho" with that hating the SEC bit.

HAHA... I don't hate the SEC maybe I should say I hate SEC favoritism. I actually loved the SEC this year as they provided some of the best games of college football (except for TCU vs Baylor). I am a CFB fan and the SEC is apart of that.

 

[22wham]

Ohio State with the huge upset over rammer jammer yeller hammer
FSU lucks by the Ducks

Ohio State beats FSU by two touchdowns

Buckeyes win it all

 

[Choctaw_fan]

22wham, you are so, so wrong!

Think about it, what other teams have stepped up in the big games other than Alabama and FSU? I still can't believe that Alabama lost to Ole Miss.

They will both win their semi-final games. Oregon and Ohio State will again be reminded "how to lose the big one".

 

[Silver King]

Yeah Ohio State would have to bring the whole referee crew for this one, not just the guy for the worst call ever in college football.

 

[blackpopsicle]

Originally posted by Choctaw_fan:
..Think about it, what other teams have stepped up in the big games other than Alabama and FSU? ...

Florida State played a big game?

 

[anon_00zx5879k0jmw]

They need to just do away with the conferences, split the USA map right down the middle, then go with a full play off system that will most likely last into February or March. The NCAA and the schools will make equal or even more if they did this.

I can promise you that the legislation will step in again very soon and force NCAA into a full playoff structure. I'm a UF fan so I am not biased here but there needs to be other teams in the playoffs than just the ones that was chosen.

 

[bludog100]

Yes they have: Clemson, Louisville, Notre Dame, Miami, Florida, and Georgia Tech---I'll put those with anything OSU, Oregon, Baylor, TCU has played.

 

[181pl]

Originally posted by bludog100:
Yes they have: Clemson, Louisville, Notre Dame, Miami, Florida, and Georgia Tech---I'll put those with anything OSU, Oregon, Baylor, TCU has played.

+1

 

[anon_00zx5879k0jmw]

FSU has played some tough games, they have also come from behind in almost all their games to win. They've earned to be there.

I still believe the NCAA needs to FIX this playoff structure and add a lot more teams to the system. Every NCAA sport has a great playoff structure but not football? NCAA football is the ONLY sport in the world that didn't have a playoff structure and now that they somewhat do they base who gets in with a W vs L instead of allow the opportunity to allow EVERY FBS conference champion team to enter the playoffs. Look at Georgia Southern, they went 8-0 in their FIRST year in the FBS and won the Sun Belt title. They should be in the playoffs in my opinion.

The NCAA needs to get their head out of their duffel bags and come out with a full playoff system. Do away with the crappy bowl games which is about $$$. They will get their $$$ with advertising and tickets, even in the playoff games.

 

[gatorman-uf]

Clemson was #22 when they played them, finished #17.
NC State was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Notre Dame was #5 when they played them, finished unranked.
Louisville was # 25 when they played them, finished #21.
Florida was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Miami was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Boston College was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Georgia Tech was #11 when they played them, finished #12.
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FSU played 4 teams when ranked, only Georgia Tech finished in the top #15.

FSU deserves to be in the playoff, because they found a way to win, but other than Georgia Tech not a single team was that good including UF from the "Mighty SEC"

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One of the changes that we as football fans have to make in our mentality is that being in the Top 4 is all that matters. It means you have a chance to win. In the past, we would have argued Bama vs Oregon to play FSU in the BCS National Championship. Now, we let the teams figure it out.

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8 years from now, we should plan on there being an 8 team playoff, it is coming.

 

[Silver King]

That's been the progression in other levels of football. When I played in the NAIA it was a 4-team tournament, I remember because we just missed it. By the time my son was playing, it was 16 teams, automatic conference champs and at large's based on records.

I'd prefer a 6 team format, but you're always going to have arguments at whatever number they decide. I did hear someone yesterday mention that the athletes are battered and bruised and suggesting they didn't want to play more games in a tournament - it that's the case football players must have drastically changed since I played (And I don't think they have aside from be bigger and faster, sometimes ESPN guys just have to say stuff to fill time).

 

[jgking83]

Originally posted by gatorman-uf:
Clemson was #22 when they played them, finished #17.
NC State was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Notre Dame was #5 when they played them, finished unranked.
Louisville was # 25 when they played them, finished #21.
Florida was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Miami was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Boston College was unranked when they played them, finished unranked.
Georgia Tech was #11 when they played them, finished #12.
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FSU played 4 teams when ranked, only Georgia Tech finished in the top #15.

FSU deserves to be in the playoff, because they found a way to win, but other than Georgia Tech not a single team was that good including UF from the "Mighty SEC"

----------
One of the changes that we as football fans have to make in our mentality is that being in the Top 4 is all that matters. It means you have a chance to win. In the past, we would have argued Bama vs Oregon to play FSU in the BCS National Championship. Now, we let the teams figure it out.

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8 years from now, we should plan on there being an 8 team playoff, it is coming.

The rankings are ridiculously influenced by pre-season rankings. The SEC was outrageously over ranked to start the season. That caused their SOS to be inflated and other conferences to be lower. I'm not going to argue that the SEC isn't the best conference top to bottom, but the gap is not very big. The ACC can line up with anyone. I agree that there will be an eight team playoff in the near future. I hope they give automatic bids to the major conference champions. I also wish they would do away with rankings until October. I know that will never happen. The committe also should not reveal their rankings until after the championship games are played.

 

[bludog100]

How does FSU stack up, based of final playoff rankings?

Baylor played # 6(TCU) , #11(KSU) and lost to UNRANKED (WVU)

TCU played #5(Baylor), #11(KSU), #25(Minn)and lost to #5(Baylor)

Oregon played #10(AZ), #10(AZ),#14(UCLA),#22 (UTAH) and lost to #10(AZ) the 1st time

OSU played #8(MSU), #18(Wisc), #25(Minn)and lost to UNRANKED (VT)

Bama played #7(Miss State), #9(Miss),#16(Mizz),#19(AU), #23(LSU) and lost to #9(Miss)

FSU played #12(GT), #17(Clemson),#21(L-Ville) and WON them ALL

** playoff teams had atleast 3 wins vs top 25 teams in the end--Baylor and TCU only had 2 wins, looks like they got the right 4

 

[Choctaw_fan]

First of all, a team's ranking at the end of the season should be used to assess how good a win against them was not their ranking at the time the game was played. Using the ranking of a grossly over-ranked team is ridiculous.

Next, let's talk about the inflated rankings of both the Pac-12 and the Big-12. With part of the SEC having a down year and no one noticing any AAC or ACC teams other than FSU, there was plenty of room for other conferences to move up the list. But, I would put any of their ranked teams against any team in the SEC West and the SEC would win every time. The only problem with the SEC this year is all the good teams were it the West.

 

[gatorman-uf]

If we start the game Labor Day weekend (13 weekends to before Thanksgiving), go back to 11 games.
Conference Championships Thanksgiving weekend...
2 weeks later playoffs (4 games)
2 weeks later NYD games (2 games)
2 weeks later Championship (1 game)

Total of 15 games for champion and runner-up
_______

Heck FCS can play a 5 round playoff (top seeds get a buy) and 11 game regular season, how come the might FBS schools can't?

 

[Silver King]

Originally posted by Choctaw_fan:

Next, let's talk about the inflated rankings of both the Pac-12 and the Big-12.

+3, Voters are still stuck in from another era with those conferences.