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Can Manatee become a real good team again as they were under Joe Kinnan?? He had some real good teams and they seem to have fallen off a bit, or am I wrong?? Is Booth as good as Kinnan and has IMG hurt them in terms of talent..
Thank you..Can they become good again? Of course, they can.
Is Booth as good as Kinnan? Does he have to be? He needs to be the best Coach Booth he can be and not try and measure up.
Has IMG hurt them in terms of talent? Doesn't have to be just IMG these days.
The program is not the same as it was when Joe was there, but neither is the area, or the attitudes, or the climate in the state in regards to kids staying home to play.
And without a Bosco reference. Which he really wanted to drop in, though.Congrats Drummer finally getting that quote thing and accompanying comments down.
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. I really was NOT thinking about the other team as that other team always thought highly of Manatee.. Good one..And without a Bosco reference. Which he really wanted to drop in, though.
Still should stay in punctuation rehab, though.
Joe put them on the map.But can we admit if it wasn't for Kinnan, Manatee wouldn't have been an Under Armour school?
Hammer's last sentence sums it up, just have to wait and see how Coach Booth does down the road. It's like what everyone says it's not the x's and o's, but the Jimmy and Joe's. There are a lot of external factors that coaches can't manipulate or have control over anymore in todays world.Can they become good again? Of course, they can.
Is Booth as good as Kinnan? Does he have to be? He needs to be the best Coach Booth he can be and not try and measure up.
Has IMG hurt them in terms of talent? Doesn't have to be just IMG these days.
The program is not the same as it was when Joe was there, but neither is the area, or the attitudes, or the climate in the state in regards to kids staying home to play.
They were 11-2 last year, one game from their 8th finals appearance. 6-2 this year winning their second straight district title under Booths helm, so to answer your question they will continue to have good teams! As for IMG, they haven't effected Manatee one bit! We have had one player transfer to them since IMG started their program and that was before coach Booth took over. Coach Booth is new school where Kinnan was old school. An example of that is their new Jumbotron, Kinnan was never for it, as for coach Booth on the other hand, he has taken Manatee's relationship with Under Armour to another level. Manatee is one of only about 4 or 5 schools that are considered Undeniable by Under Armour. That is their elite schools in the country they sponsor. Manatee will continue it rich tradition and winning ways under coach Booth!
FLABOY941, Braden RIver doesn't want to play Manatee on any level. That includes FR and JV. Booth tried to schedule a game with them back in early spring but they said their schedule was full. Later in the summer Bradley was looking for several games to fill his schedule. They have a good football team but they are very over rated! Their schedule over the past two years has been a joke. He will not play the Canes and after this year they are going to be hurting! Booth could easily go out and schedule the Bayshore's and North Port's of the world and go undefeated. It's just a different approach to getting your team better! Don't see them playing anytime soon.
jgking83, I'm thinking much of the answer on the improvement of JV team this season maybe lays with the number of full quarters a student can play each week. Not sure what the rule is in Florida, but in Georgia its 6. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the many varsity 2nd and 3rd teamers are playing JV games on Thursday night and then their minutes are just closely being watched Friday..(if they see game time).I'll take your word for it on the scheduling, but Braden River has a pretty good football team this year. They flat out whipped Palmetto. They can play and I expect them to make a deep run this year.
Also, I'd like your opinion on what's going on with our FR and JV teams. When I was coming through we never lost and we had deep rosters. What is the issue and do you see them shutting the FR team down in the future?
jgking83, I'm thinking much of the answer on the improvement of JV team this season maybe lays with the number of full quarters a student can play each week. Not sure what the rule is in Florida, but in Georgia its 6. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the many varsity 2nd and 3rd teamers are playing JV games on Thursday night and then their minutes are just closely being watched Friday..(if they see game time).
Nor the level of scrutiny brought upon Manatee now because of those last few years before the regime change.The program is not the same as it was when Joe was there, but neither is the area, or the attitudes, or the climate in the state in regards to kids staying home to play.
It was my understanding that a player could get in trouble for even dressing out for more than one game per week.In Florida, I think a player can only play in one game a week. If you play one play in a JV game, you can't play in the varsity game that's in the same week.
jgking83, I'm thinking much of the answer on the improvement of JV team this season maybe lays with the number of full quarters a student can play each week. Not sure what the rule is in Florida, but in Georgia its 6. I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the many varsity 2nd and 3rd teamers are playing JV games on Thursday night and then their minutes are just closely being watched Friday..(if they see game time).
I believe Joe's ability to bring the Manatee HS program back after he returned for his 2nd term as the HBC stems from his involvement with the PAL youth leagues while he was away. Once he returned his ability to simply out recruit the other county HS through basically the open transfer rules that now exist is what fueled the return of Manatee's standing as a state power.
The new jumbotron to me is Booth simply trying to bring different elements to Manatee HS, that a young 9th or 10th grader might find alluring. Will it work long term.......I don't know? I know the west Bradenton I knew growing up has gone down hill big time, in fact I find it very discouraging each time I return for a visit. The area out near the interstate when I left Florida was all palmetto's and pine trees has become built up with homes and business galore and eventually with the influence of money out east, will make it next to impossible for anyone to keep up with.
Go Canes Go!
FLABOY941, Braden RIver doesn't want to play Manatee on any level. That includes FR and JV. Booth tried to schedule a game with them back in early spring but they said their schedule was full. Later in the summer Bradley was looking for several games to fill his schedule. They have a good football team but they are very over rated! Their schedule over the past two years has been a joke. He will not play the Canes and after this year they are going to be hurting! Booth could easily go out and schedule the Bayshore's and North Port's of the world and go undefeated. It's just a different approach to getting your team better! Don't see them playing anytime soon.
It is what it is Hwy17, as well as just my thoughts................not meant to be construed as the Gospel.....Wow! I can't believe you wrote that given the debates that have been had on this board in regards to recruiting and school choice being the avenue used to make it practically legal.
It is what it is Hwy17, as well as just my thoughts................not meant to be construed as the Gospel.....
Go Canes Go!
I had some very interesting conversations with some folks that were closely involved with the Southeast football program the last few years Meachtle was there. Coach Meachtle had lost control of the program, in much the same way coach Kinnan had. The issues with each situation were completely different but to me both situations point to individuals that had lost control over what each had worked so hard to develop. As far as player movement....... its gone on forever in Manatee County, the difference today is that the school systems have bought into it now and have added a means to more easily facilitate that movement is all.
Go Canes Go!
Raymond Thomas played an entire JV season with Manatee, then transferred to Braden River...........why??? Because he wanted to play now and Braden River offered him that opportunity....starting TB at Palmetto this year was at Manatee that saw him get Varsity playing time..and to me that could sum up how easy its become to move school to school.Joe is a legend and we you can't duplicate that. Braden River is moving right along pretty good without playing Manatee, but I would like to see them play. I think this year is the only year that Braden River would actually win. I think they can go all the way if Raymond Thomas can stay healthy.