Who ya got?

[Silver King]

SK like both of these teams, but kind of have to look at the body of work and statitics including Saban coaching against his old staff.

Plus, SK think Oklahoma's defense is going to prove to be a lot easier in making a true freshman QB look really good, than Bama's will. SK think that 1 second from last year's game is coming on the field with Bama tonight.

SK could be wrong, but he been on a hot streak latley, just ax Wavebb and the rail huggers at Bonita Springs Greyhound track.

 

[LAZL]

SK like both of these teams, but kind of have to look at the body of work and statitics including Saban coaching against his old staff.

Plus, SK think Oklahoma's defense is going to prove to be a lot easier in making a true freshman QB look really good, than Bama's will. SK think that 1 second from last year's game is coming on the field with Bama tonight.

SK could be wrong, but he been on a hot streak latley, just ax Wavebb and the rail huggers at Bonita Springs Greyhound track.

 

[LAZL]

UCF Knights. - Charge On!

 

[Silver King]

Well, I meant for the runner up National Championship. But the Dawgs O-line is winning this so far at half.

 

[LAZL]

I thought I'd put some numbers together to show how the power mongers can justify keeping non-Power 5 schools out of the playoffs. First let me state that any system where this practice is deemed acceptable is biased, flawed, unfair and should be outlawed. There are 130 FBS schools. Only 65 (50%) are realistically eligible to make the playoffs. The Power 5 includes 64 schools and Notre Dame. The other 65 schools barely have a mathematical chance to achieve playoff status. In this day and age, this is simply unacceptable and criminal. If a playoff system exists, every school must have an equal opportunity to win a championship. There can be absolutely no exclusions.
Unfortunately, people who feel as I do are probably going to be disappointed when they see the numbers below. I have done an 18 year (21st Century) analysis and the disparity is unbelievable.

Since 2004 when we began differentiating the FBS schools by Power 5 and non-Power 5, over 1600 games have been played between the two. The Power 5 has won over 81% of those contests. Total domination.

Here is a summary of the conferences as they are currently structured, sorted by Avg. Power Rating from 2000-2017 (18 seasons)

POWER 5 & NOTRE DAME

1) NOTRE DAME 117.31 139 - 86 0.618
2) SEC 115.77 1892 - 1291 0.594
Alabama 124.16 178 - 60 0.748
LSU 122.16 177 - 56 0.760
Florida 121.53 160 - 71 0.693
Georgia 121.15 175 - 62 0.738
Auburn 118.69 158 - 75 0.678
Texas A&M 116.09 130 - 96 0.575
Tennessee 115.67 133 - 94 0.586
South Carolina 115.08 135 - 91 0.597
Arkansas 114.92 125 - 101 0.553
Missouri 114.64 132 - 95 0.581
Mississippi 112.86 114 - 107 0.516
Mississippi St 110.27 107 - 115 0.482
Kentucky 107.25 89 - 130 0.406
Vanderbilt 106.28 79 138 0.364
3) BIG 12 115.15 1358 - 910 0.599
Oklahoma 126.30 195 - 45 0.813
Texas 121.66 163 - 67 0.709
Texas Christian 117.31 170 - 58 0.746
Oklahoma St 117.27 145 - 82 0.639
Kansas St 116.84 139 - 90 0.607
West Virginia 115.86 148 - 80 0.649
Texas Tech 115.48 136 - 93 0.594
Baylor 108.55 99 - 120 0.452
Iowa St 108.29 91 - 131 0.410
Kansas 103.90 72 - 144 0.333
4) PAC 12 114.64 1508 - 1196 0.558
Southern California 124.00 175 - 59 0.748
Oregon 121.53 167 - 64 0.723
Stanford 116.13 132 - 92 0.589
Utah 115.20 149 - 75 0.665
Arizona St 114.88 123 - 103 0.544
UCLA 114.42 124 - 104 0.544
Washington 113.83 116 - 110 0.513
California 113.65 110 - 112 0.495
Oregon St 112.98 116 - 107 0.520
Arizona 111.04 103 - 118 0.466
Washington St 109.25 101 - 119 0.459
Colorado 108.71 92 - 133 0.409
5) BIG 10 113.20 1788 - 1375 0.565
Ohio St 124.24 193 - 41 0.825
Wisconsin 119.15 170 - 68 0.714
Michigan 118.73 147 - 80 0.648
Penn St 117.37 144 - 82 0.637
Nebraska 116.75 150 - 83 0.644
Iowa 116.61 142 - 87 0.620
Michigan St 115.19 138 - 90 0.605
Minnesota 110.74 110 - 115 0.489
Maryland 110.04 113 - 110 0.507
Northwestern 109.77 121 - 103 0.540
Purdue 109.59 100 - 123 0.448
Illinois 106.98 81 - 136 0.373
Rutgers 105.23 104 - 117 0.471
Indiana 104.45 75 - 140 0.349
6) ACC 113.14 1803 - 1378 0.567
Florida St 121.75 170 - 67 0.717
Virginia Tech 119.46 169 - 69 0.710
Miami FL 119.23 154 - 73 0.678
Clemson 119.21 167 - 69 0.708
Georgia Tech 114.93 137 - 95 0.591
Louisville 114.38 154 - 74 0.675
Pittsburgh 113.32 128 - 98 0.566
Boston College 112.44 132 - 97 0.576
North Carolina St 111.90 123 - 103 0.544
North Carolina 111.11 111 - 113 0.496
Virginia 108.87 100 - 122 0.450
Wake Forest 107.64 100 - 120 0.455
Syracuse 106.41 89 - 129 0.408
Duke 103.29 69 - 149 0.317

POWER 5 AVG/TOTALS
114.87 8488 - 6236 0.576


NON - POWER 5

1) MNTN. WEST 103.86 1320 - 1378 0.489
Boise St 118.19 197 - 38 0.838
Fresno St 107.12 133 - 101 0.568
Air Force 107.04 125 - 100 0.556
San Diego St 105.19 111 - 113 0.496
Colorado St 104.89 110 - 115 0.489
Nevada 102.98 112 - 113 0.498
Hawaii 102.74 117 - 117 0.500
New Mexico 100.75 91 - 131 0.410
Utah St 100.52 88 - 131 0.402
Wyoming 100.24 84 - 134 0.385
UNLV 98.51 68 - 150 0.312
San Jose St 98.11 84 - 35 0.384
2) AAC 103.67 1298 - 1370 0.487
Cincinnati 108.72 135 - 92 0.595
South Florida 107.77 126 - 92 0.578
Navy 106.87 130 - 97 0.573
Houston 106.75 128 - 99 0.564
UCF 105.65 123 - 102 0.547
East Carolina 103.78 107 - 117 0.478
Tulsa 103.57 114 - 114 0.500
Connecticut 102.53 97 - 121 0.445
Temple 102.18 90 - 128 0.413
Memphis 102.13 100 - 121 0.452
Southern Methodist 98.27 76 - 143 0.347
Tulane 95.81 72 - 144 0.333
3) INDEPENDENTS 101.88 309 - 350 0.469
Brigham Young 112.44 144 - 85 0.629
Army 95.72 64 - 152 0.296
Massachusetts 94.40 101 - 113 0.472
4) MAC 99.13 1208 - 1435 0.457
Northern Illinois 106.81 146 - 84 0.635
Toledo 106.36 145 - 80 0.644
Bowling Green 103.15 119 - 105 0.531
Western Michigan 102.36 111 - 109 0.505
Ohio U. 100.42 115 - 110 0.511
Miami OH 99.20 93 - 128 0.421
Central Michigan 98.56 107 - 117 0.478
Ball St 97.50 95 - 122 0.438
Akron 96.36 84 - 133 0.387
Kent St 95.35 74 - 139 0.347
Buffalo 93.28 65 - 149 0.304
Eastern Michigan 90.21 54 - 159 0.254
5) C-USA 96.60 1206 - 1410 0.461
Southern Mississippi 104.54 122 - 107 0.533
Marshall 103.58 128 - 98 0.566
Louisiana Tech 102.46 112 - 112 0.500
Middle Tennessee St 99.63 110 - 109 0.502
Western Kentucky 98.81 131 - 95 0.580
UAB 98.66 75 - 115 0.395
Rice 97.44 88 - 130 0.404
UTEP 95.59 80 - 138 0.367
UTSA 95.14 38 - 44 0.463
North Texas 94.75 82 - 138 0.373
Florida Atlantic 92.85 87 - 119 0.422
Old Dominion 92.46 72 - 37 0.661
Florida International 91.27 64 - 127 0.335
UNC-Charlotte 85.17 17 - 41 0.293
6) SUN BELT 93.92 1111 - 1232 0.474
Troy 100.41 120 - 100 0.545
Appalachian St 100.25 168 - 66 0.718
Georgia Southern 99.51 144 - 81 0.640
Arkansas St 97.91 107 - 113 0.486
Louisiana-Lafayette 95.22 96 - 121 0.442
South Alabama 93.16 45 - 50 0.474
Louisiana-Monroe 93.13 74 - 140 0.346
Idaho 92.88 59 - 156 0.274
New Mexico St 92.49 61 - 157 0.280
Texas St 88.18 93 - 118 0.441
Coastal Carolina 87.98 117 - 63 0.650
Georgia State 85.91 27 - 67 0.287

NON - POWER 5 AVG/TOTALS
99.84 6452 - 7175 0.473

The average Power 5 team is over two touchdowns better than the average Non-Power 5 team.
As a fan, do we really want to open the door to mismatches which could be likely to occur if the Non BCS schools were all eligible to participate? Or should we limit the number of eligible possibilities from these conferences? The latter scenario could be considered just as biased as the system is today. What do we do? Is an 8 team field enough? How about 12 with a 4 team bye system? Can we go to 16? Can we do anything?
If they are ALL FBS (which they are), they should ALL have a chance. Just sayin'.

 

[Choctaw_fan]

We'll never win this argument because the playoff games were actually good this year. But, as others have argued, the SEC top to bottom is not good. So, why would you compare the AAC top to bottom?

UCF was awesome this year and proved it in the Auburn game. They might have made it to the championship, if given the chance. Everyone was so willing to give Boise State a chance years ago. Why didn't UCF get the same chance? Because those in power thought they would lose TV revenue. It's all about the bucks!

 

[LAZL]

Precisely the point I’m trying to make. The non-Power 5 conference championship teams are ignored because their conferences are perceived to be inferior....Which they are. Is it fair? Hell no.
By the way, Boise St was never given a chance. They are the most ripped off team in the FBS. Since 2000, they have the best w-l record of any FBS school in the country. They have finished unbeaten twice. Defeated an 11-3 Oklahoma team when they were 13-0 And later beat a one loss TCU squad in 2009 when they finished 14-0. Yet they have not even sniffed the possibility of being a National Champ.
This is what is wrong with the system.
The defense of the selection committee is based on schedule strength. So that is how they justify not picking a UCF for the playoff. This is how they get away with it. That is all I’m pointing out. I want the system fixed so everyone has a chance.

 

[DPHS]

We'll never win this argument because the playoff games were actually good this year. But, as others have argued, the SEC top to bottom is not good. So, why would you compare the AAC top to bottom?

UCF was awesome this year and proved it in the Auburn game. They might have made it to the championship, if given the chance. Everyone was so willing to give Boise State a chance years ago. Why didn't UCF get the same chance? Because those in power thought they would lose TV revenue. It's all about the bucks!

What conference is good top to bottom? As laz showed you top to bottom over the last 20 years it is the SEC. No conference is good top to bottom.