Reclassification 2014-2018 football

[307mac]

Tentative football reclassification announced for 2015-18

Posted December 15th, 2014



Below are the new football districts for the next classification cycle, which will be for four years.

• Tentative football classification

Appeals must be based on Policy 12.2.6 or 12.2.7. Please submit any appeal on school letterhead signed by your principal or headmaster in addition to your District Superintendent, County Athletic Director or President of your governing body. On the appeal, list the schools of your current district and the mileage and the schools of the district you are appealing to enter along with the mileage. Appeals are due by 5 p.m. EST Thursday, Jan. 15, 2015. Appeals can be emailed to jharrison@fhsaa.org or faxed to (352) 244-5043.

If your school is wishing to change its commitment status, you must fill out the AT12 (add sport/enter district) or AT13 (remove sport/withdraw from district) forms on C2C schools.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact Justin Harrison at (352) 372-9551 ext. 180 or jharrison@fhsaa.org.

• Fall of 2014 student population report

 

[Pipe Dreams]

Osceola to 8A - I like it.

 

[Fan 74]

Madison County to 1A. They will kill some dreams.

 

[Choctaw_fan]

Some of those groupings are ridiculous. Pensacola High is in 3A region 1 with two schools from Tallahassee and one from Perry FL. That will be a 253 mile trip for a district game. Other districts are almost as bad. Tate has to travel to Tallahassee for three of it's five district games.

Hopefully, some teams will appeal to move up or down to shorten the distance they must travel. And, if the FHSAA is smart, they will approve the changes.

 

[ProSetEye]

Might as well give the rings to the Madison players in the summer. Possibly Fort Meade and Frostproof may give them a game, if they play them, but won't beat them.

 

[Silver King]

Thanks 307!

 

[307mac]

You welcome.

 

[blackpopsicle]

Here's a pool wager.

Which of these teams try to move up to 8A? They're all scared of each other!

7A

District 2
5 schools
Atlantic Coast (Jacksonville)
First Coast (Jacksonville)
Robert E. Lee (Jacksonville)
Fletcher (Neptune Beach)
Columbia (Lake City)

 

[gatorman-uf]

Columbia because they should be in 6A... student population is 1918 according to student population report, but were placed in 7A which lower limits are 1938. Problem is that Columbia is no man's land, if they go to:

7A district that has Tallahassee Schools (the district goes over to Navarre), way too far.
7A district that has Bartram Trail, Creekside, Buchholz, Oakleaf, and Fleming Island isn't any closer
6A Jacksonville district (they have to travel to St. Augustine and Mantanzas),
6A Gainesville district it goes south to Leesburg,

So Columbia is better set for travel to 7A Jacksonville.





This post was edited on 12/15 9:32 PM by gatorman-uf

 

[gatorman-uf]

Schools that their population puts them in a lower classification, but they are placed in a higher classification for 4A to 8A (1A to 3A is too hard to do)

Miami Killian 7A 8A
George Jenkins 7A 8A
American (Hialeah) 7A 8A
Miami Southridge 7A 8A
Charlotte (Punta Gorda) 6A 7A
Columbia 6A 7A
Homestead 6A 8A
Miami Sunset 6A 8A
Miami Carol City 5A 6A
Booker (Sarasota) 4A 5A

 

[gatorman-uf]

Not saying it could happen, but
If Tate wins Region 1 of class 7A
If Martin County wins Region 2 of class 7A

trip is 8 hours and 19 minutes WOW!!!

Granted the likelihood of these schools making it is not very good, but how do you even prepare for that?

 

[307mac]

Site: Robert W. Hughes FHSAA Building, Gainesville Date: 1/7/2012
Rule Reference(s): Policy 12.2.6
Action: X Discussion:
Item:
Executive Director Powers.
The Executive Director, at his/her discretion, may administratively assign a school to the next classification lower than the
classification to which it would otherwise be assigned if the school is geographically isolated from other schools in the
classification to which it would be assigned and the school has a student population that is within 10 percent of the dividing line
between the classification to which it would be assigned and the next lower classification.
Background Information:
Recommendation:
To review and either discontinue or restructure the 10% rule that allows teams to pick if they play up a
classification or play down a classification.
Amendment: A school may only be considered for reclassification for geographic isolations only. To be approved,
all sports at that school must be reclassified as well.
Rationale:
It does not seem fair that teams in the lower 10% gets the choice to chose which district classification they
want to join which ultimately results in which ever one is weaker; when other teams outside of this 10%
must play where their enrollment numbers place them.
Alternative to Recommendation:
1. Approve

 

[307mac]

I'm guessing there must be something about the 10% rule to move a school up also. Columbia ,Killian ,George Jenkins,Carol City,Sarasota Booker, and Charlotte P.G are all moved up by 10%of the student population,but Southridge,Homestead,and Sunset only goes to 7a, so from 6a to 8a must be requested by the schools for mileage reasons.

 

[MikeSinger]

Thanks for posting 307mac.

 

[307mac]

Thanks ,I enjoy reading about high school football ,and when you work the midnight shift it makes for good reading to make time go by faster.

 

[307mac]

Two days after the final football games of 2014, the Florida High School Athletic Association released its tentative district alignment for the next four years.



And for several area schools, big changes are coming.

Among those moving up in classification is Columbia, which will move up from Class 6A to 7A and into District 2, which includes Atlantic Coast, First Coast, Robert E. Lee and Fletcher.

Buchholz will stay in District 3-7A, but will only have four other schools - Fleming Island, Oakleaf and Bartram Trail, which moved up from 6A.

"We are in a larger classification and we are excited about the challenge," said Columbia athletic director Doug Peeler. "We will be playing some good teams like First Coast and Fletcher.

"We can't control what district we are playing in. You have to go out and take care of business. Seems like some of the schools that can complain about being moved up a classification are o.k. with it.

 

[181pl]

Damn. I wanted Plant to stay in 8A. They missed the cut by FIVE students.

 

[peezy28]

Originally posted by 307mac:

Thanks ,I enjoy reading about high school football ,and when you work the midnight shift it makes for good reading to make time go by faster.

Just don't take your eyes off of them chomo's while reading

 

[307mac]

LOL,yeah I'm there to serve and protect.

 

[JC-5]

How does a team go from 4a to 1a?

 

[peezy28]

Originally posted by JC-5:
How does a team go from 4a to 1a?

JC-5 don't be mad your former rivals are not right in your backyard. They were always at about 620 students the cutoff for 1A is 600 and rural. They are at 593 with the new count.. .How they got there is anyone's guess but they have always been on the cusp of the new 1A standards.

 

[Hwy17]

Originally posted by JC-5:
How does a team go from 4a to 1a?

Going back to 4 year class and districts? I thought FHSAA decided that was a bad idea the last time the tried it? Considering how some schools made big jumps from one class to another. Some districts seem to make sense but I see a few others that have schools making some really long road trips. Take 1a district 8 for example, Fort Meade and Frostproof are close but Crescent City and Wildwood? That's a long way for a district game.

 

[bludog100]

Ft. Meade and Frostproof could afford to play in rural for football only, but the travel for the other sports would break them-- my guess is they go back to 3A

 

[anon_00zx5879k0jmw]

District 10

7 schools

Jesuit (Tampa)

Jefferson (Tampa)

Middleton (Tampa)

Spoto (Riverview)

Robinson (Tampa)

Lake Wales

Tenoroc (Lakeland)



District 11

6 schools

Bayshore (Bradenton)

Booker (Sarasota)

DeSoto County (Arcadia)

Hardee (Wauchula)

Southeast (Bradenton)

Lemon Bay (Englewood)



District 12

6 schools

Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)

Dunbar (Fort Myers)

Island Coast (Cape Coral)

Mariner (Cape Coral)

Immokalee

Lely (Naples)

Lemon Bay should be placed in District 12 and Lake Wales be brought down to District 11.


FHSAA and their stupidity is getting worse IMHO.

 

[Silver King]

HWF Lemon Bay to 12 based on what? District 11, aside from Desoto and you guys, are all within about 35 miles of each other in Sarasota and Manatee counties.

You'd have Lemon Bay playing most of their games 80 miles North up in Tampa? C'Mon man.

As for travel, oil hit $55 a barrel yesterday - half of what it was in June - so gas prices should continue to fall.

 

[BStreak]

Originally posted by Silver King :
HWF Lemon Bay to 12 based on what? District 11, aside from Desoto and you guys, are all within about 35 miles of each other in Sarasota and Manatee counties.

You'd have Lemon Bay playing most of their games 80 miles North up in Tampa? C'Mon man.

As for travel, oil hit $55 a barrel yesterday - half of what it was in June - so gas prices should continue to fall.

SK, he said District 12 not District 10.

 

[anon_00zx5879k0jmw]

I wish a lot of public schools would get smart and get out from under FHSAA and start their own league. Classification cannot be based on school population if private schools are allowed to play with public schools and most of you know why. When you have private school that has players the size of a college team playing against a public team that is in the same classification but the public school players look like a pee wee team compared to the private school how can population really FIX the classification issue? It doesn't. Classifications based on population is suppose to create fairness amongst ALL schools but FHSAA has lost sight of this.

 

[Silver King]

I misread; thought he wanted them to swap out. Sorry HWF - Lemon Bay has played a lot in Collier and Lee County. They won't schedule Charlotte anymore, which is just as well, but it screws up our county championship.

Wavebb has to be happy they can play their bench and win their District.

 

[tampa1]

Tampa Districts


District 7
7 schools
Alonso (Tampa)
Riverview (Riverview)
George Steinbrenner (Lutz)
Newsome (Lithia)
Manatee (Bradenton)
Palm Harbor University
Riverview (Sarasota)

District 8
7 schools
Freedom (Tampa)
Gaither (Tampa)
Leto (Tampa)
​Plant (Tampa)
Sickles (Tampa)
Wiregrass Ranch (Wesley Chapel)
Wharton (Tampa)

District 9
7 schools
Bloomingdale (Valrico)
Durant (Plant City)
East Bay (Gibsonton)
​Lennard (Ruskin)
Plant City
Strawberry Crest (Dover)
​Tampa Bay Tech

District 7
6 schools
Armwood (Seffner)
Blake (Tampa)
Chamberlain (Tampa)
Hillsborough (Tampa)
King (Tampa)
Brandon

District 10
7 schools
Jesuit (Tampa)
Jefferson (Tampa)
Middleton (Tampa)
Spoto (Riverview)
Robinson (Tampa)
Lake Wales
Tenoroc (Lakeland)

District 4
3 schools
Berkeley Prep (Tampa)
Lakeland Christian
Tampa Catholic

District 5
5 schools
Out-of-Door (Sarasota)
Bradenton Christian
Cambridge (Tampa)
Carrollwood (Tampa)
Seffner Christian

 

[Hwy17]

Originally posted by HardeeWildcatFan:
District 10

7 schools

Jesuit (Tampa)

Jefferson (Tampa)

Middleton (Tampa)

Spoto (Riverview)

Robinson (Tampa)

Lake Wales

Tenoroc (Lakeland)



District 11

6 schools

Bayshore (Bradenton)

Booker (Sarasota)

DeSoto County (Arcadia)

Hardee (Wauchula)

Southeast (Bradenton)

Lemon Bay (Englewood)



District 12

6 schools

Cypress Lake (Fort Myers)

Dunbar (Fort Myers)

Island Coast (Cape Coral)

Mariner (Cape Coral)

Immokalee

Lely (Naples)

Lemon Bay should be placed in District 12 and Lake Wales be brought down to District 11.


FHSAA and their stupidity is getting worse IMHO.

I'm hearing that Lake Wales wants to go into 6a with the other Polk schools (now that Winter Haven goes up to 7a) and Teneroc wants in 4a with Avon Park, Mulberry, Lake Placid and LeBelle. Probably would compete better there.

 

[gatorman-uf]

For us visual learners.

Class 8A Football Division Map

Class 8A Football

 

[anon_00zx5879k0jmw]

This could be an alternate solution for classification. We all know that population really does not fix the classification issues. FHSAA created the rural classifications to help smaller rural schools but they totally left out the one county schools which does not have a lot of "pickings" like the larger population counties. Its a proven fact that the majority of the population of the whole wide world lives next to water so the larger, bigger and more populated schools are near the coastal waters of around Florida. Yes we have Orlando and Polk County but there are those of us in the smaller schools I think would like and should be able to play down a class because even though we have the population we just don't have the beef like other 5A schools with the same population. Actually if you look at our population its made up of a majority of immigrant families (Mexicans-Americans, legal and illegal) and well we don't get a lot of "beef" from them. Now, look at other 5A schools such as AH-Plantation. They "gather" most of their players from around other area schools. If you haven't seen this team in person you will not understand when I say this team would match up with a college D1 team on paper meaning their roster. If you would have a D1 Roster in front of you along with AH-Plantation's roster you would not realize they were a high school 5A team if you didn't know.

I think FHSAA needs to include height and weight of previous 2 year rosters along with population to help determine if a school is truly a 5A or other class school. Or, allow us who are one county high school to be able to move down one classification.

Again it doesn't make sense to use population only when classing schools because private schools have an UNFAIR advantage and classifications are suppose to make things fair on the field of every sport in high school.

Whenever I seen AH-Plantation on the field last year I knew for a fact that there wasn't going to be any 5A team to beat them for the next 4-5 years and I realized that FHSAA's classification was totally messed up.

JMHO

Oh SK don't worry about it you've been wrong many times before brother.

 

[JC-5]

Peezy, I know... Heck the district Jeff co. is in now is about what it was my Sr. year .. And add Taylor Co..

I have always known Madison was close to 1A ... But here will be a school that was in the final 4 in 4a , losing to Bolles going to 1a...

I am glad that Frostproof and Ft. Meade got out of the 3a with the private schools from Tampa...

Oh and Ft. white dropped from 4 to 1 also

 

[Captains Morgan]

We're all excited JC-5 about Madison, Ft White, Ft Meade and Frostproof( insert sarcasm). But it is what it is, got to strap it up and get after it. Just think that the Jefferson Co team that won the title in 2011 lost to Madison 42-7. Lol food for thought.

 

[Silver King]

HWY, and I will make many more, but damn, this late in the POY season can be fatal to make a mistake this close to the final ballot - if you're going to make a mistake, you do it early in the season.

I have to say, that is an interesting proposition you present; kind of like Pop Warner with weights, but I think more importantly you may have to add 40 yard dash times. Can you just imagine the coach tampering with those issues? I hear it goes on in Pop Warner with rigged scales. I guess if you're pre disposed to cheat, the loopholes and ways to, will be found.

 

[JC-5]

Capt I know... Lol..

But also know my sophomore, junior , senior year:

Jeff 44 mad 6
Mad 17 jeff 14
Jeff 30 mad 0

Things have changed for sure ... As Ric Flair once said:
To be the man you got to beat the man...

Jefferson at one time was the man...and the sad thing is when I graduted, there was 116 in my class... This next year about 35... And the thing is the population of Jefferson County has gone up...

 

[peezy28]

Hardee Fan..

That idea would never work. Unless the FHSAA is going to personally come to each school and gather height and weight of all their players it just won't work because all I have to do is type that my 6'6 300lb linemen is really 5'10 190lbs... Multiply that by 11 and WALA!

Easier solution more of a manner in which your taking it is to make teams play up that are dominating their current class and teams that can't buy a win will have to move down. So for instance STA, Central, Armwood, Plant, Trinity Christian, Booker T, AH Plant would all be moving up a class (unless of course your in 8A) and schools like Leto etc would be moving down. That is more of the Pop Warner D1 D2 type.

However this probably wouldn't help Hardee because you guys are going to get you 7 8 wins a year regardless but perhaps you won't run into AH Plant anymore (unfortunately you would probably run into Booker T or AH Delray)